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Saturday, January 29, 2005 CE

Are you a fascist?


Take this little quiz and find out.

This quiz is designed only for right-wingers since sometimes they do not know if they are be fascists or not. I am assuming that the people who take this test, believe already that the state should not focus in trying to redistribute wealth, an essential part of the right wing thought.

Instructions
Answer all questions only once
Assign 0 points if A is the answer, 1 if B, 2 if C, 3 if D, 4 if E
Please be honest
Good luck

1. Do you consider that the nation, religion, political group or ethnic group you belong to makes you a human being of a different class?

A.- Not at all.
B.- Occasionally
C.- Sometimes
D.- Yes, with exceptions.
E.- Definitely yes.

2. Do you believe that there are situations (e.g. danger to national security, fear to enemies) in which human rights (e.g. right to life, right to a fair trial, right against torture, etc) can be disregarded?

A.- Not at all
B.- Occasionally
C.- Sometimes
D.- Yes, with exceptions.
E.- Definitely yes.

3. Do you usually focus your energy against any particular ethnic group, ideology, religion or minority?

A.- Not at all
B.- Occasionally
C.- Sometimes
D.- Yes, with exceptions.
E.- Definitely yes.

4. Do you believe in the glory of the armed forces of the country you belong to?

A.- Not at all
B.- Occasionally
C.- Sometimes
D.- Yes, with exceptions.
E.- Definitely yes.

5. Do you believe in traditional gender roles?

A.- Not at all
B.- Occasionally
C.- Sometimes
D.- Yes, with exceptions.
E.- Definitely yes.

6. Are you against gay rights?

A.- Not at all
B.- Occasionally
C.- Sometimes
D.- Yes, with exceptions.
E.- Definitely yes.

7. Do you believe that the government has the right to control the media in special situations (e.g. war, national security?

A.- Not at all
B.- Occasionally
C.- Sometimes
D.- Yes, with exceptions.
E.- Definitely yes.


8. Do you believe that the government has the right to use fear in order to make the general public aware of "a dangerous" situation?

A.- Not at all
B.- Occasionally
C.- Sometimes
D.- Yes, with exceptions.
E.- Definitely yes.

9. Do you believe that the highest authorities of a government have the right to use religious rhetoric in their communication with the people?

A.- Not at all
B.- Occasionally
C.- Sometimes
D.- Yes, with exceptions.
E.- Definitely yes.

10. Do you believe that the corporations and the government should have common goals?

A.- Not at all
B.- Occasionally
C.- Sometimes
D.- Yes, with exceptions.
E.- Definitely yes.

11. What do you think of labor power?

A. It is important and necessary
B. Usually necessary but occasionaly it is not
C. Sometimes necessary, other times not
D. Not necessary, with exceptions
E. Never necessary, useless.

12. Do you think artists are...

A. Important and necessary
B. Usually necessary but occasionaly not
C. Sometimes necessary, other times not
D. Not necessary, with exceptions
E. Never necessary, useless.

13. Do you think academics/intellectuals are...

A. Important and necessary
B. Usually necessary but occasionaly not
C. Sometimes necessary, other times not
D. Not necessary, with exceptions
E. Never necessary, useless.

14. In order to suppress/control crime you are willing to...

A. try to control it without violating the rights of the perpetrators or the privacy of the rest of the people.
B. try to control it without violating the privacy of the people.
C. attempt to reduce it as much as possible accepting abuses as "collateral damage"
D. violate the rights of perpetrators but trying to respect the privacy of the people.
E. violate the rights of perpetrators and the privacy of people, crime prevention and punishment is essential for the survival of society.

15. Do you believe that the state has the right to expropiate businesses or natural resources from their legitimate owners for the sake of national security or better economic handling?

A.- Not at all
B.- Occasionally
C.- Sometimes
D.- Yes, with exceptions.
E.- Definitely yes.

16. Do you believe that in case the liberals, socialists, communists, libertarians or anarchists are ahead on the polls, the government has the right to alter the results of the elections to avoid a government of any of those groups?

A.- Not at all
B.- Occasionally
C.- Sometimes
D.- Yes, with exceptions.
E.- Definitely yes


From 0 to 16 points: You are not a fascist. Try talking to your left wing partners to find common goals in the fight against fascism

From 17-48: You lean towards fascism. You have to clarify certain ideas and decide if you are willing to support what fascist governments have done in the past or what they are doing right now

From 49-64: You are a fascist. If you already knew about it, just acknowledge me as your political enemy. If did not know you were one of them, please start being honest to people and say what you are. There is nothing worse than hiding behind a conservative mask


45 Comments:

Blogger WhyNot said...

Good one, Marco. Seems like the right-wingers are either not so keen on taking the test, or not so keen on letting you know the anwers :-)

5:47 PM  
Blogger Gindy said...

Here is my question to you Doctor Marco. Do you believe that those on the extreme left can be as much of a fascist as those on the extreme right? Or do you feel that all of those to the right are fascist?

6:48 PM  
Blogger Gindy said...

Just an after thought, I am refering to the way the terms right and left are used in American politics today. I am not sure there is a correlation with right and left today to the 1930's but haven't really looked into the way the terms were used back then.

7:52 PM  
Blogger Doctor Marco said...

No Gindy, fascism is a phenomenon of the right. Extreme left has other problems, not to be discussed in this post. Please, if you consider yourself a right-winger, answer the quiz and lets see your score. I am talking right and left as it is defined by most people who talk about politics. Norberto Bobbio is a great source, very clear with respect to the political spectrum.

8:22 PM  
Blogger Doctor Marco said...

Yes, Whynot, it is true, I believe it would be a dream to have a right-winger telling me his honest score in this test. Anyway, they have a conscience and they can discuss it with themselves.

8:24 PM  
Blogger galdrysyll said...

according to this test, i suspect that most christians who truly follow the faith as practiced today would likely fall in the fascist category. unfortunately, so would most muslims and jews. does that define all of western religion as supporting fascism?

my difficulty comes in the way the questions can be interpreted. depending on how the statements are defined could 'sometimes' not be an appropriate answer? does that put the validity of the test into question? or is being defined a fascist according to this test necessarily a bad label?

now that I have taken the test and am considered a fascist or at least leaning that way, what should the repurcussions be? reeducate me in a clinic or a camp somewhere. lock me up. take away my freedoms because i do not think the right way (no anti-pun intended). strip away my right to vote because i cannot be trusted to put the individual above the nation or my community. ignore me and no longer allow me to speak.

but i took the test, i consider myself a libertarian but to the extreme left i would probably be a 'right winger'. i scored a 28. i will return to my cell now for reeducation.

happy days

11:36 PM  
Blogger Doctor Marco said...

Galdryssyl: Thanks for answering and being honest. I do not really expect that Christians, Muslims and Jews (CMJ)who truly follow their faith would accumulate points by: accepting torture under certain situations, focusing their energy against other groups, gloryfying armed forces, being against gay rights, favoring government control of the media, favoring the use of fear by the government, supporting a corporate state, dismissing labor power, disregarding artists and intellectuals, violating privacy, violating the rights of suspects, accepting the expropriation of private property or altering the results of elections. I understand that CMJ might think they are superior because of their religion, that they favor traditional gender roles and that they can accept the government using religious rhetoric. Those are coincidences with a fascist and do not add up for many points (a maximum of 12).

This test was just created by me, based on literature that describes fascism. It has not been validated yet, however, I find very interesting that a guy like you, who considers right-winged and libertarian has scored pretty high. (To be honest, I took the test and scored 01). This beautifully helps towards proving the point that many right-winged people have fascist views and thay do not even know about it. My concern with fascism and the reason why I believe we should fight it, is because it dehumanizes people and has led to tragedies in the past. Many people follow it based on fear and ignorance. The repercussions you finding out that you leaning towards fascism should be the following:

To question yourself if you really want to accept the doctrine and the history that is carried by it. If you accept it, as I said, I become your political enemy. I do not think you would care about that one. If you dont, you probably need to work on modifying the ideas that are making you a fascist. You can read books, surf the web, whatever. There is no need for clinics or camps. There is no need of suppressing your vote or any of your rights, you could still say what you think, provided that you do not harm other people or you do not crush someone's rights.

6:42 AM  
Blogger WhyNot said...

“ There is no need of suppressing your vote or any of your rights”.

Precisely. Hell, here in France we have the whole panoply of parties, from Communist to Fascist, and they are all legal and thriving.

7:48 AM  
Blogger galdrysyll said...

doctor marco, thank you for the thoughtful response. my difficulty still lies with my attempt to answer the questions honestly with the reality of the world in mind although ideologically those answers may differ.

being a realist, i find any question that requires a response that contains absolutes, which are typical of all your A and E responses, difficult to answer using those absolutes. there are no absolutes when the life of your family and the survival of your community are concerned and many times your ideology can and will be sacrificed when their safety comes into play. this unfortunately puts me at 16 right off the bat. you have three questions regarding the inclusion of type in the community; labor movement, academics, and artists, that its difficult not to imagine that they would sometimes not be necessary to the short term survival of the community even though at one point in my life or another i have fallen into one or more of those roles. finally, with regards to traditional gender roles and gay rights, sometimes for me is interpreted as depends on the circumstance. if whats meant by gay rights is more rights and traditional gender roles as no gender roles, then i have to say 'yes definitely' but not being sure, 'sometimes' seems to be an adequate answer until further defined. i think im pretty close to my score of 28 at this point. if i had stayed with a more ideological response, im sure i would have scored lower but thats not the reality of my circumstance and unfortunately living in the heart of jesusland i suspect that im probably a bit more open-minded on many of those questions than most.

regardlesss, ive taken the bait and you have shown me the courtesy to make it a dialogue, so thank you again.

happy days

4:11 PM  
Blogger Greg Stephens said...

I think #15 is a bit dodgy:
"Do you believe that the state has the right to expropiate businesses or natural resources from their legitimate owners for the sake of national security or better economic handling?"

As many people on the left would disagree that businesses can be legitimate owners or that natural resources can be 'owned'.

But otherwise I got a very low score.

8:11 PM  
Blogger TOKilla said...

I think the whole quiz is sketchy. If you are capable (and willing) to reduce your cosmology and axiology to simple generalizations, then I think you should not be put in a position to make important decisions. During the Iran hostage situation, a Canadian hournalist got wind of the plan to get the hostages out as a fake movie crew yet the government told him not to report. Did the Canadian government suspend him freedom of speech? Yes, but was it worth it? You bet your bacon it was. So the government overpowered an indivudual in a time of crisis. Was that fascist? Possibly, but does that make the Canadians fascist? Not at all.

I also think the test is very biased, because you label fascist as bad from the very begining, and several times I found myself picking the liberal choice to avoid upseting everyone on this blog. Overall, it is a good outline of right-wing views, but I wouldnt take it for anythign more than that.

11:32 PM  
Blogger Doctor Marco said...

Thnaks for all the feedback. I will write again some of the questions that do not look so good. I have in the past designed questionnaires for research projects and the first step is to have them read by people. Afterwards you run a pilot, and then you try to validate it. It is long, but finally worth it. I will place a link to the new version. In this case. Many right people guys things it is ok to abuse people and to forget about rights. That is why they score high and that is why they tend to become fascist. I said that I regard fascism as wrong because it dehumanizes people. And, as I said before, people is free to have those ideas, provided that they recognize what they are, and they do not harm individuals. Right wingers do not need to be fascists, they become fascists due to ingnorance or on purpose.

8:05 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dr. Marco,

I found your test to be leading, so I made a version for you to illustate that your communiques are just as biased as those of the uneducated, right-wing, facists. I think you will see where I have done some of my own leading...

Enjoy

- - - - -

Are you a left-wing elitist snob?

This quiz is designed only for progressives since sometimes they do not know if they are elitist snobs or not. I am assuming that the people who take this test, already believe that the way to fix all problems caused by the rich, corporations, and bigots is through the government, an essential part of the left wing thought.

Instructions
Answer all questions only once
Assign 0 points if A is the answer, 1 if B, 2 if C, 3 if D, 4 if E
Please be honest
Good luck

1. Do you consider that the ideals, thoughts, experiences, travels, or education you have experienced make you more capable of being a leader than other people that disagree with you?

A.- Not at all.
B.- Occasionally
C.- Sometimes
D.- Yes, with exceptions.
E.- Definitely yes.

2. Do you believe that there are situations (e.g. personal inconvenience, fear of personal accountability, personal responsibility) in which human rights (e.g. right to be born, right to make money, right to keep your money, etc.) can be disregarded?

A.- Not at all
B.- Occasionally
C.- Sometimes
D.- Yes, with exceptions.
E.- Definitely yes.

3. Do you usually focus your energy against any particular economic group, ideology, religion or geographically located group (e.g. ignorant red-necks or hicks in a red state)?

A.- Not at all
B.- Occasionally
C.- Sometimes
D.- Yes, with exceptions.
E.- Definitely yes.

4. Do you believe that you would have the right to “freely blog” in a country without armed forces (or protection from a nation with armed forces)?

A.- Not at all
B.- Occasionally
C.- Sometimes
D.- Yes, with exceptions.
E.- Definitely yes.

5. Do you believe that gender roles have little or nothing to do the differences between genders?

A.- Not at all
B.- Occasionally
C.- Sometimes
D.- Yes, with exceptions.
E.- Definitely yes.

6. Do you believe that gay people should be able to justify anything they want by labeling opponents as bigots?

A.- Not at all
B.- Occasionally
C.- Sometimes
D.- Yes, with exceptions.
E.- Definitely yes.

7. Do you believe that the media has the right to filter or make up news to control voters in special situations (e.g. elections, war, national security, special interest groups)?

A.- Not at all
B.- Occasionally
C.- Sometimes
D.- Yes, with exceptions.
E.- Definitely yes.


8. Do you believe that the media has the right to use fear in order to sway the general public in "a dangerous" situation?

A.- Not at all
B.- Occasionally
C.- Sometimes
D.- Yes, with exceptions.
E.- Definitely yes.

9. Do you believe that the highest authorities of a government do not have the right of free speech and must eliminate religious topics from their communication with the people?

A.- Not at all
B.- Occasionally
C.- Sometimes
D.- Yes, with exceptions.
E.- Definitely yes.

10. Do you care that Americans will lose their wealth and ability to compete in the global marketplace if the American government cripples American corporations?

A.- Not at all
B.- Occasionally
C.- Sometimes
D.- Yes, with exceptions.
E.- Definitely yes.

11. How important is it that individuals keep an eye on marketplace trends and change careers to maintain their individual competitiveness (instead of using labor union tyranny to insure we continue to have obsolete industries like buggy whip factories)?

A. It is important and necessary
B. Usually necessary but occasionaly it is not
C. Sometimes necessary, other times not
D. Not necessary, with exceptions
E. Never necessary, useless.

12. What do you think about the idea that artists should have to maintain their own economic viability like the rest of us?

A. Important and necessary
B. Usually necessary but occasionaly not
C. Sometimes necessary, other times not
D. Not necessary, with exceptions
E. Never necessary, useless idea.

13. Do you think academics/intellectuals are...

A. Important and necessary
B. Usually necessary but occasionaly not
C. Sometimes necessary, other times not
D. Not necessary, with exceptions
E. Never necessary, useless.

14. To prove the hypothesis that crime is not the criminal’s fault are you willing to...

A. try and prove it without violating the rights or safety of the rest of the people.
B. try and prove it without violating the rights of the people.
C. prove it as much as possible accepting abuses (ex. elimination of 2nd amendment) as "collateral damage".
D. prove it as much as possbile by violating the rights of all, subjugating the safety of all, and taxing the “rich”.
E. make the whole country a social experiment – if all fails at least it was a noble cause.

15. Do you believe that the state should prop up minority businesses that aren’t competitive or intervene to protect critical resources (oil flields in Alaska, endangered species without any proven value like the fish darter, etc.) for any reason?

A.- Not at all
B.- Occasionally
C.- Sometimes
D.- Yes, with exceptions.
E.- Definitely yes.

16. Do you believe that the government has the right to alter the results of any elections?

A.- Not at all
B.- Occasionally
C.- Sometimes
D.- Yes, with exceptions.
E.- Definitely yes


From 0 to 16 points: You are not a left-wing elitist snob. Try talking to your right wing partners to find common goals in the fight against left-wing elitist snobs.

From 17-48: You lean towards left-wing elitistism. You have to clarify certain ideas and decide if you are willing to support what left-wing elitist snob governments have done in the past or what they are doing right now.

From 49-64: You are a left-wing elitist snob. If you already knew about it, just acknowledge me as your political enemy. If did not know you were one of them, please start being honest to people and say what you are. There is nothing worse than hiding behind a smug liberal mask.

Q

4:15 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dr. Marco,

I got a 22. My dad was a lawywer and I was taught to look at both sides of a situation. We probably agree with each other on societal ideals and goals. We probably differ some on what the current problems are and the priorities of the problems. We probably differ a lot on how to fix the problems.

Anyway the test was a clever idea albeit leading, somewhat educating (obvious linkage to tactics of people like Hitler), and very entertaining. Overall I give it an A+.

Q

4:27 PM  
Blogger Doctor Marco said...

Thanks for your A+. I take it from someone who understands a good effort, not from someone who believes is intellectually ahead, because you have not proven that. I, honestly, do not think that you could. Anyway, I have also been taught that we should see reality from several points of view. As a consequence of that, I learned that you cannot see politics as a mirror, i.e., right is not exactly the same as left. Unfortunately, most of the guys who disagree with my humble effort, try to defend their points of view arguing we are in a mirror situation. I am not trying to hurt right-wingers. I am just trying to unmask fascism and to let the guys who do not recognize it in themselves to do something about it. They can either embrace it and tell everyone what they are or to recognize what ideas may be fascist and try to discard them from their intellectual framework. I accept that there are flaws in my test. Thus, I intend to improve it. Since I want to validate this effort, I might go to Panzerfaust and test some guys over there and see what the score of a fascist is. For example, I believe that 0-16 is to strict to make someone a non-fascist, I think I will change that.

7:53 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dr. Marco,

The devil is in the detail. To me the whole test has an undertone that leads to one conclusion. If you are a person that disagrees with Progressives, Liberals, or Democrats your are a facist.

Or, restated: if you support Bush, Republicans, Christians, or are conservative you are a facist.

Or, restated: if you support the war in Iraq you are a facist.

Or, restated: if you don't agree with the Germans and Russians (I would have included the French, but they don't agree with anybody, even people that agree with them) you are a facist. That's a hoot!

It seems to me that you expected people like me to score in the high 50's, yet we see ourselves in the low 20's. So, now you're going to change the scoring to get the result you want. Right?

Am I blatantly manipulating your intent?

9:58 AM  
Blogger Doctor Marco said...

I think that you have to read the whole thing, including the comments. I have very clearly said that this is a tool to differentiate the different types of right-wingers that exist (the fascist, the libertarian, and the ignorant) If I change the test, I will do it to increase sensitivity and specificity of it, terms used commonly in biostatistics. Actually I believe that I should be less strict in defining a non-fascist, probably if you scored less than 24 you could be considered a non-fascist. I have to discuss this with other people and keep "testing the test" before I actually make the change. I do not know who you are so I have no idea how you would score. I do not expect anything from people taking the test, this is something I learned from doing research in medicine, and it is the core of the scientific method.

7:45 PM  
Blogger ManicBlu said...

I scored a very proud 6. LOL

I don't think all rightwings are fascist but all fascist are rightwing.

8:34 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dr. Marco,

The details, the details...

Example. Question 1
I guess I get a 4. There are different classes of people. That does not mean that one class is better than another. One is richer. One has fewer cares. One is wiser...

Example. Question 2
I get a 4 on this question because I don't think you should be able to yell "fire" in a theater. I don't think you should be able to impunge my character without facts. I can provide many more examples.

In both cases your first amendment rights are restricted/violated. By the way, question 9 implies that government leaders should not be able to use religious rhetoric. What happened to their 1st amendment rights?

Example: Question 3
I get another 4 because I focus my energy against the far-left (ideology). You seem to focus your enery against facists. Sarah (Past is Prologue) seems to focus her energy against the Christian-right. So a person can be a liberal and a facist, or at least have facist tendencies?

Example: Questions 5 and 6 are redundant with question 3. You are just being specific about the group. Now you're double counting based on historically repressed groups.

Example: Question 7.
I get a 4 because I believe that the government (thru laws passed by Congress, approved by the administration, supported by the courts) can say that child-pornography, and its distribution thru any media, is illegal and prohibited.

Example: Question 8.
I think I get a 4 again.

I'm not sure what you mean by "fear". I think the government should be allowed to use fearful truth, like telling us that we can get HIV thru the reuse of needles.

I don't think the government should ever be allowed to use fearful lies to manipulate us. And I think it is essential to recognize that there is a difference between a lie and being wrong.

In addition, I do think it is okay for the government to lie to protect the interests of the country and its citizens. I don't expect any President to reveal our true military capabilities or plans. In fact, I expect them to lie to mislead our enemies. However, I expect all government officials to be truthful when reporting to appropriate superiors or oversight entities.

Example: Question 10
Maybe another 4. Common goals. I'm not sure what you mean again, but read the Federalist Papers and tell me that the founders weren't obsessed with economics. The government should never be permitted to restrict our rights (Especially those identified in the Bill of Rights) in favor a business or industry. However, one goal of the US government should be to create an environment that encourages and promotes economic success. In fact, if we didn't have a viable economy (which in the global economy includes corporations) the nation and the government (the 2 can't be seperated) would not last long. Give me a strong 4. Can I get a 5?

Example: Questions 12 and 13 are redundant.
I interpret your questions to mean - "Does a society need people thinking outside-the-box". Challenging our views and beliefs. Yes, but we clearly need every American to do that, not just some Americans called artists, academics, intellectuals, etc.

I also think this leads to the debate about whether or not taxes should pay these people. It would be an easier argument to make if they weren't so abrasive in some of their interchanges with people that disagree with them. I also think that Michael Moore proved that you can be an antagonist without government financing.

Example: Question 14.
Wow. My dad got into law to insure that people are protected from tyranny (governmental, religous, corporate). He put his physical health and economic viability at risk by taking legal action against local sheriffs, state troopers, the US Army, the US Air Force, and eventually the CIA. At the same time he was overwhelmingly practical. He was more concerned by the IRS than the mafia. Still, I think he would support most if not all of the the USA Partiot Act in response to the terrorist phenonemon. I wish he was still here so he and I could disect the topic... He and I both saw/see the government as a necessary evil that should be minimized and controlled. The ultimate social challenge of all "citizens" is to balance the threat of tyranny against other threats.

Example: Question 15.
Another 4 for me.
I hate the government taking resources. Especially my money via taxes, social security, and medicare. But what would happen if individuals or corporation owned the Great Lakes, major rivers, lakes, coast line, etc? Unfortunately we need some resources to be available to the general population. What is your answer to this question?

Example: Question 16.
You appear to reveal bias again. Why didn't you include conservatives and facists in your list? Is it because you think Bush did this and the Democrats never have? Also, this questions seems to be another repeat of question 3.

I guess I have to change my score to 50 something, but I'll be damned if I'm a facist.

12:57 PM  
Blogger Doctor Marco said...

The details, the details...

I believe that Q1 can be rephrased. I have found that many friends of mine who took the test, did not understand what I was really asking for. It would be something like "Do you think that you are a better human being than another one from another country, race, religion, political ideology or sexual orientation? A fascist will definitely score a 4 there.

Q2 is very clear, I personally believe that human rights are above everything. A fascist does not believe that.

I also believe that Q3 should be rephrased because what I meant is tp try to identify if there is hate against certain groups. The phrase "focus the energy" was not fortunate. Remember that you cannot consider someone a fascist just because he or she obtains a 4 in one question. It is the global assessment what counts.

I do not believe that Q5 is redundant with Q3. It has to do with gender roles, not with hate. I made Q6 because there has been a special negative atmosphere against gays in fascist regimes. Other type of regimes(including far left dictatorships) have disregarded gay rights. Again, you cannot consider someone a fascist just because he or she obtains a 4 in one question. It is the global assessment what counts.

7:29 PM  
Blogger Doctor Marco said...

Continuation...

In Q7, I have to make an adjustment with respect to the situation. Of course we should try to avoid , for example, violence to showed to kids. I was referring specifically to national security and war. Media has been very useful in the uncovering of scandals of abuse and stuff like that. Of course that you should not disclose a military strategy through TV. Those exceptions should be pointed out.

Q8 is very clear. Fear should not be used for political purposes. Threats should not be magnified.

Q10 is very important to understand. When the government always agrees with corporations there is something fishy going on. The question could be rephrased as: Should the relationship government-corporation be A-Confrontational and destructive B-Confrontational and constructive C- Friendly but with different goals D-Friendly, but sometimes with different goals E-Friendly and always with same goals

Q12 and 13 could be only one because people who think that artists re not important usually think the same abou academics

Q14 is very clear.

Q15 A strong state should not take away property. The right to private property has been under stress under fascist regimes and also under communist regimes. As I said before, a communist might obtain a 4 here, but it does not make it a fascist. It is the whole package.

In Q16 I will change libertarians for libertarian conservatives because that was what I meant. A fascist will not agree to prevent the winning of another fascist, so that is the reason why I did not include them, so I think it is fine that they are not in the question. Remember that te quiz tries to identify fascists.

Anonymous: You can try the next version of the test and see what you get.

I appreciate everyone's input, the published and the non-publshed. I believe I can improve this effort signficantly

7:58 PM  
Blogger D-Thinker said...

This is my first visit to your Blog.I like your post.

5:59 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dr. Marco,

So, on Q15, if a corporation owned ancient redwood forests you wouldn't advocate the government protecting the forests for future generations?

Q

11:53 AM  
Blogger Doctor Marco said...

Diary Thinker: Thanks for your comment. I will check your blog soon.

Q: In Q15, the government can offer to buy the property even at a high price if it is so necessary, it should not take it against the will of the private owner.

6:15 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dr. Marco,

To my knowledge that is what happens now (the government pays), and has happened for the last 100+ years in the U.S.

Still, it is often disappointing when a family is forced to sell land (even at fair market price) that has been in the family's posession for a long time. Most of the towns and surrounding areas in Central Texas (Fredericksburg, Kerrville, Boerne, New Braunfels, etc.) were established by German immigrants circa 1840 when Mexico (before the Texas revolution) was essentially giving land away to attract settlers. Since about 1970 they have been forced to break up and sell their land for construction of power lines, water pipelines, gas pipelines, highways, and reservoirs.

In addition, federal inheritance taxes have forced the break up of their properties. The IRS tax laws were just revised (2004) to exempt the first $1.2M of inheritance. But just 2 years ago the exemption was $675k. So, most people that inherited 100 or more acres (sounds like a lot but Texas us still very rural and mostly undeveloped land) were forced to sell half or more of their land to pay the IRS.

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The family had to sell half of the land to pay the tax. Most of the proceeds (30%+) went to the IRS. The realtors got 6%. The tile company got their $1,500. The surveyors get their $500. The probate laywers got their share (now only about $2,000 for a simple uncontested will, but until circa 1990 up to 30%). The family is left with half of the land they had before.
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If taking property is facist, then this is hidden facism.

The Democrats (allegedly left and therefore not capable of being facist) fought (at least publically) against increasing the inheritance tax exemption because it favored the "rich" people and increased national debt. Were they just being anti-Republican (I think this is a big part of their motivation) or do they have some fascist tendancies? Either way it does not bode well for Democrats because in one scenario they are disguised facists and in the other scenario they are willing to act like facists if they perceive that it will help them achieve their goals.

What do you think?

Q

10:00 AM  
Blogger Doctor Marco said...

You seem not to be getting the point. One characteristic does not make anyone fascist. It is the whole package. That is why I created a test. This test is based on what most politicians accept as an acceptable description of fascism.

7:54 PM  
Blogger Kyle_From_Ottawa said...

Hi Marco:

I took you test and got a 10. Actually, I don't think there's anything wrong with your actual test, it's just the scoring that's a little off.

If this test defines someone who gets the max score of 64 is a perfect facist, then logically a person who gets a 0 is not only not a facist, but actually an anti-facist. A person who gets the exact middle score of 32 is neither facist nor anti-facist. Thus I'd redefine your spectrum as follows:
0-16 strongly anti-facist, 17-25 somewhat anti-facist, 27-39 neither, 40-48 somwhat facist, 48-64 strongly facist.

It's also important to note the "I'm the center of the universe" phenomenon. To a person who is strongly anti-facist, *everyone* to the right displays some degree of facism, even those that wouldn't be considered facist by most people. Likewise, to a person who is strongly facist, everyone to the left is an anti-facist.

10:25 AM  
Blogger Kyle_From_Ottawa said...

The only other note is that I'd replace "religion" with "ideology". Any strong ideology that people fanatically adhere to is suitable for facism (i.e. excessive nationalism). It doesn't necessarily have to be a religous ideology, though it often is.

10:29 AM  
Blogger Doctor Marco said...

Kyle: Thanks for your input. I believe that everything can be improved.

8:25 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dr. M.,

Actually I think I get it. Let me prove it by paraphrasing: Even Dr. Marco leans toward facism on one or two questions, but overall he is the antithesis of a facist. Do I get it?

You don't seem to be getting my point. I can, and did, provide a reasonable explanation for picking the facist response to almost every question. That is why I upped my score to 50+. I will deny you your 1st amendment rights in some situations (example - yelling fire in a crowded theater). I will deny you your 2nd amendment rights in some situations (example - if you are convicted of a felony).

I won't deny you your rights because of your age (accept you must be 18+ for certain rights), gender, race, religion (unless it includes crap like human sacrifice...), nationality (though the Constitution requires you to be native born to be President), etc.

Your test is clever and illustrative, and it works if the test taker doesn't think a lot. But, if they think, then the details get in the way.

We have laws that constrain almost every right. But they are in place to protect the rights of other people. My very wise Grandmother used to say: "Your rights end where my nose begins."

I think (there I go again making it hard) there are some very subtle aspects to our rights that get in the way of the test.

Example: The 1st amendment gives us the right of speech, but that is not the same as giving us the right to be heard.

Example: We have the right to protection from illegal search and seizure, but that doesn't mean we can board a public vehicle without going through security.

So, do I get it?
So, do you get it?

Q

2:56 PM  
Blogger Doctor Marco said...

You do not have to think too much, just answer with your gut. Imagine you are taking a psychological test.

6:44 PM  
Blogger Hector said...

"Doctor Marco said...
...
You seem not to be getting the point. One characteristic does not make anyone fascist. It is the whole package. That is why I created a test. This test is based on what most politicians accept as an acceptable description of fascism."

I'm sorry, in what study(ies) did you say your fascism index was tested?

6:55 PM  
Blogger Hector said...

"This test was just created by me, based on literature that describes fascism. It has not been validated yet, however, I find very interesting that a guy like you, who considers right-winged and libertarian has scored pretty high. (To be honest, I took the test and scored 01)."

Oh well, then, I stand corrected. :P

6:57 PM  
Blogger Doctor Marco said...

It is always good to read everything in detail before commenting.

7:37 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dr. Marco,

Was your source:

http://www.oldamericancentury.org/

or

"Fascism Anyone?" by Laurence Britt

9:34 AM  
Blogger birdwoman said...

Surprisingly, I only got a 10. Thought I was more of a nazi ;-)

The one question I take umbrage to is 9. Since free speech is a given, to me, any leader should be free to use any rhetoric (s)he wants to use. Religious or not. To say that (s)he can't is a curbing of freedom of speech, to me.

(*)>

12:07 PM  
Blogger Doctor Marco said...

Anonymous: None of them, but I will look into them to see how they think

Birdwoman: Thanks for taking the test, and for your input, I am collecting information to improve the survey and eventually use it as a pilot and finally validate it.

6:02 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dr. Marco,

It appears that the book may be the source of the 14 questions in your test and the web site seems to be using the book as reference...

10:22 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I got a 36...

7:46 PM  
Blogger Doctor Marco said...

Anonymous: I have not read that book, but I will put it in my list.

6:49 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I hope you are a better nephrologist than you are a pollster or I hope I never have need of your services. This is the most outrageous display of trying to manipulate someone I have seen in a long time. I'm conservative but I read your silly questions very carefully and answered truthfully. Guess what? My score is 15. You lose!

8:39 PM  
Blogger Doctor Marco said...

Although many people who consider themselves as liberals have taken the test, it is not intended for them. The test is only for conservatives. Conservatives can be divided in libertarian, fascists or ignorant. The test was designed to identify the fascists among the conservatives. Ergo, not all conservatives are fascists...please read all the posting including my comments.

I personally do not like fascism because of their lack of respect for the human life, however, everyone chooses his or her own battles in life.

10:25 PM  
Blogger SebastianCraine said...

58 points. I should have scored higher. There are better questions than these to ask in order to determine whether one is or is not a fascist. Also, I think you deliberately confuse religious zealot with fascist. Religion is (should be) irrelevent here. You'd be better off thinking objectively about what characteristics are common among fascists instead of mincing your questions with the rhetoric of the Dead Kennedys and/or Al Frankin.
1) Nationalism, not religion is relevent here.
2) Fascists are not anti-academic. The subtlety here lies in who is considered an intellectual.
3) The NASDAP was not a fascist party. Think back to high school history - Franco was fascist. El Duce was as well.
4) Ethnicity/race has nothing to do with a fascist government. Culture is the topic of interest here. Typically, fascists are "culturists," not racists. The left stands accused of a similar crime, that of classism. Read your beloved Marx, he calls for the "extermination of the bourgois class." (genocide)
5) Lastly, fascists do not believe in the people's ability to govern themselves (a belief, if I'm not mistaken, which differentiates between conservatives and fascists, and secondly, seems inconsistent with the statement in your quiz linking fascism with anti-intellectual behavior. Who leads a country of sheep if not for the intellectual - remember, even the Nazis fostered Heidigger, Von Braun, etc.) Your quiz serves as a vindication of this final point.

3:58 PM  
Blogger Doctor Marco said...

Thanks for your input. All your points will be processed (as well as the previous ones from other people) in order to create a better questionnaire. I would appreciate also your input when the second version is released.

7:05 PM  
Blogger Darinis Shadow said...

I scored 32. I am a proud top-right conservative. I just believe that the nation should be allowed to wage wars against actual threats, instead of sitting back and letting things happen around the world with apathy.

7:44 PM  

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